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Hammers1993 8:09 Sat Aug 4
Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

Viagogo etc..

As fans you all queue up fairly to purchase tickets for whatever it is, concerts, theatre events, football, whatever it may be, only to be unlucky in purchasing tickets, it happens but what fucks me off no end is seeing hundreds of those tickets then appearing on tout sites minutes later for 20x the price.

A show we all badly wanted to go to unfortunately sold out, tickets ranged from £20 - £90.

Minutes later these are all on Viagogo for cheapest of £400. Booking fees are MINIMUM, yes, MINIMUM of £101. (ONE HUNDRED AND ONE POUNDS) BOOKING FEE.

How is this genuinely allowed?

Was having a chat with mates and for all these places that claim they don't encourage it then I'm sorry but something needs to be put in place.

Simple solution could be that whichever card is used for payment that has to be presented as proof when attending the show, say you bought 6 tickets with the card then at least one of the 6 has to have that card on booking. Would stop a lot of these cunts just buying tickets for profit with genuine fans missing out.

Have any of you bought from there and what would be your maximum cut off point for paying over the odds? In this instance it is 20x the actual face value. Would any of you even consider paying that?

only1billybonds 9:48 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

Very simple answer to this.

Dont give these cunts your money. If you miss out,wait til next time ir if it is a must see and you are willing to pay what they want then its no good moaning about it while you are encouraging it.

Generlising here,not aimed at you personally.

Bungo 9:49 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

I suppose too many people are making too much money doing it. Many will publicly say they are against it, whilst quietly trousering wads of notes.

Incidentally, some bands are starting to challenge it by demanding original purchaser ID for entry. I know U2 have done this in the past, and I believe Iron Maiden are doing this too on their current tour.

No Maiden tickets up for sale on the usual sites that I can see.

Bungo 9:52 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

Incidentally I understand some touts put tickets on sites at hugely inflated prices, not really expecting to sell them at that, but to try to drive the market up.

For example, If you see some tickets for sale at £750 each, then you might be more inclined to buy at say £350 as it resets your expectations.

Hammers1993 10:07 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

This is the thing, this may be there last ever show because of their age. It is the first time he's in the UK in 20 years and most likely his last (due to age, doesn't life suck).

I just don't understand how the website itself is allowed to run? I understand how it makes money because it's this exact situation where people have no other option, and they exploit it.

What I can't understand is how touts are illegal yet this is a public website that apparently is completely fine? Booking fees of over £100 as well?

It all seems like venues must make some money from it I guess, or someone is making money from it as surely this shouldn't be allowed?

Hopefully not in the too distant future every booking will require official ID to stop all of this.

I really don't know what to do though. Such a rubbish dilemma on a moral level, the £20 tickets are selling for £400, the £90 tickets are going for £1,800 in some instances, and these are actually being bought..

Takashi Miike 10:08 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

its often not possible but try and buy direct from the venue if you can, you'll save a lot of money on fees that vermin like ticketmaster throw on the ticket price

Mike Oxsaw 10:12 Sat Aug 4
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They also feed people's "Loadsamoney" egos.

Down the pub trying to impress your mates, or "showing her how much she means to you" - "Look at what a I paid for THIS!!!"

I agree that they should all be outlawed, but there's probably someone in power making a bit on the side from such activities, so nothing is likely to get done.

Hammers1993 10:49 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

I would Mike but they sold out when I was in the queue, hence me even contemplating one of these vermin sites.

Gaffer58 11:05 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

Well FIFA and UEFA don't give a fig about where the tickets go, I know they claim to but all they want is your money. Take the Champions League final, something like 10,000 to each participant out of a crowd of 60k, but on the day of the game the ground is full of each teams supporters, so someone is making a mint from the other tickets.

4ever-blowin-bubbles 11:07 Sat Aug 4
Re: Tout Websites - How are they allowed to run when "touts" are illegal?

the problem is someone somewhere will always pay the going rate always so it dont matter to them if you avoid them cos some just don't

Bungo 11:12 Sat Aug 4
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I have paid daft prices now and then in the past, but I've toughened up now. I've decided that I'm not going to be ripped off, so if I miss buying tickets the normal way, and re-sale is too high, then I just don't go.

As someone else said, if we all did this, then the market would cease to exist.

No regrets either. After all, there will inevitably be a DVD. Good enough for me if I save a few hundred quid.

TeVaz 11:17 Sat Aug 4
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I think you should have your own idea of what you are prepared to pay and not go a penny over that . Leave it til as near to the concert as possible , prices can go down dramatically and you can even end up paying well below face value .
Personally, I’ll be fucked if I’d pay over a oner booking fee to see anyone or anything. In fact , I’d be reluctant to pay that for any ticket !

AKA ERNIE 11:21 Sat Aug 4
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twickets.com is your answer tkts sold at face value by people that can't go

only1billybonds 11:44 Sat Aug 4
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I would never pay more than £100 for a concert ticket but then i'm lucky, i went to my first gig in 73 (bowie,ziggy tour) and since then have seen everyone i wanted to. Maybe if i had a 1 and only chance to see Springsteen i'd pay whatever it took but seen him plenty of times so wont be bothering. My lady wss going to pay 600 quid to see the stones on their last tour until i told her she would be going alone. Fucking mad money. Dosnt please her when i remind her that i saw them in 76 and it only cost me 14 notes.

Takashi Miike 12:00 Sun Aug 5
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i'd never pay over the odds again for a band, radiohead was the last but i had to see them. even that was spoilt by minges with mobile phones. it was interesting reading that a few acts like jack white are now using a no mobile policy during the concert, its well overdue

PwoperNaughtyButNot 1:05 Sun Aug 5
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Dont believe the boloocks from bands and artists such as ed Sheehan

The music industry didn’t see this market and are pissed off they are not in on it. The pretence about protectioning fans is so they can promote their industry owned site and kill off the completion.

I know for a fact that the whole ed Sheeran cancelling tickets was just bollocks. The only way a ticket was cancelled was of a fan with a ticket volunterily surrendered it to be cancelled. The vast Mahoney just walked through the turnstiles.

If you can buy a Picasso and then sell it for 10x the amount why can’t you buy a concert ticket and sell it for 10x the amount? It’s all art and it’s all art driven by scarcity.

Takashi Miike 1:15 Sun Aug 5
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that's a stretch, comparing a ticket to see a ginger busker to owning a picasso. i wouldn't go and see that cunt if you put a gun to my head

Alfs 2:20 Sun Aug 5
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I used to know a bunch of touts back in the nineties. They made gypsies seem like the Salvation Army and were all fat as fuck. Wouldn't have crossed any of them though.

Johnson 3:46 Sun Aug 5
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1. If you BADLY wanted to go to it you would have worked hard. You’d already be on the fan mailshots, fan clubs, first in the queue for cash sales.

No? Not a proper fan then I’m afraid, there’s more people in the world, who’ve probably done the things above, than you as it goes.

2. Touts make money off tickets. If I can’t get one legit I’ll go to a tout. What I pay over the odds depends on how badly I want to see someone.

3. Don’t cry about it. Stop thinking folk owe you a favour.

Sydney_Iron 4:17 Sun Aug 5
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Not sure I would be forking out to a tout site, sounds far to scam like to me.

From what I have seen when I went to the Southampton game which was sold out I think, touts were alive and well, if you didn’t have a ticket they were available, how much they were charging for them I wouldn’t have clue though.

Unless it’s a last minute thing or a massive game, tickets seem easy enough to come by from the official places; I get them easy enough each time im back, mind you having a brother in law who is a member helps.

Sven Roeder 8:35 Sun Aug 5
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As said I think some bands now require people to show the credit card with the ticket.
Forget who it was but there was a bit of a stink recently when someone playing at the 02 required that and people were refused entry.

The bit that gets me is some artists allocate tickets to these agencies and take a cut of the super profits from selling tickets at bloated prices.
Think Robbie Williams was one. The CUNT

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